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Tracking Down the Mysterious Organ Sources of China's Shenyang City's Multi-Organ Transplant Center |
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12 Apr 2006
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At present, we know the following cruel facts: most organs for transplants in China come from prisoners, and a large number of them have been removed from prisoners when their hearts were still beating. Organs taken this way may be called "live organs." Referring back to our previous question: In Shenyang City, especially Shenyang Multi-Organ Transplant Center, are there organs belonging to this kind of "live organs"? Take kidney transplant as an example. In China, patients usually have to wait for six months to a year for a kidney transplant, but in CITNAC of the Multi-Organ Transplant Center, patients only have to wait for a week to a month for kidney transplant, and the kidneys are not any inferior than those live ones sold by the poor people. |
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If viewers search for news about "organ transplant" on the Internet, one probably would receive two impressions. One is the number of organ transplant operations performed in China is second only to the U.S. The other is that organ donors in China are far from sufficient. Every year only 1 percent of patients that need liver transplants can be operated on, and less than 1 percent of patients that need kidney transplants can be operated on (which is 5-7 thousand out of half-a-million). Normally patients have to wait 6 months to one year [1] to get kidneys for transplant, and many die while waiting.
While on the other hand, some hospitals are advertising that they have sufficient organ donors, such as the Urological Department of Changhai Hospital (an affiliation of the Second Military Medical University) who emphasized on their website that "1. The donor kidneys are high quality, and the kidney functions recover rather quickly after the operation. 2. Sufficient donor sources, waiting period very short [2]" when introducing their kidney transplant operations. This kind of advertising makes people wonder where they are finding enough kidneys when the whole nation is in short?
The Shenyang City Multi-Organ Transplant Center: Kidneys for Transplant in One to Four Weeks, Livers in Less than Two Months
Located in Shenyang City, Liaoning Province, the China International Transplantation Network Assistance Center (CITNAC) advertised on their website that "If you send your personal data to this center by e-mail or fax and accept the necessary body examination in Shenyang, China in order to assure a suitable donor, it may take only one month to receive a liver transplantation, the maximum waiting time being two months. As for the kidney transplantation, it may take one week to find a suitable donor, the maximum time being one month."[3]
This Center is formed by the Organ Transplant Institute under the First Affiliated Hospital of China Medical University in Shenyang (also called the Shenyang City Multi-Organ Transplant Center). Its website has Chinese, English, Japanese, Korean, and Russian versions (the Chinese one has just been erased). The center is geared with international business but has mainly targeted Japanese patients. The center declared, "Although the procedure to select a donor is very strict, the transplant operation will be terminated if the doctor discovers that there is something wrong with the donor's organ. If this happens, the patient will have the option to be offered another organ donor and have the operation again in one week. As most doctors in Japan are highly trusted by their patients, if a doctor acquires high level of accomplishment in transplantation operations, we will invite him to come to our center to do the operation for you."[3]
Here we find two critical points: 1) The matching of organ transplant. If one wants to find a suitable organ within a short time, there needs to be sufficient organ sources waiting. Obviously the center has more than enough organ sources; not only can it find a donor quickly, but it can also find a second donor within one week should the first one be problematic; and 2) Considering that the center is inviting Japanese doctors to do the operations in China, this center's purpose is not how they "hope that the advanced Chinese transplant techniques will serve any needing patients," as advertised. In fact, they want its "sufficient organ sources" to serve the international society! Everyone can see the hospital's motive from the below listed foreign patients' medical cost (not including travel cost):
Kidney transplant: US $62,000
Liver transplant: US $98,000-130,000
Heart transplant: US $130,000-160,000
In caomparison, the domestic Chinese patient would normally be charged:
Kidney transplant, 50-80 thousand yuan
Liver or heart transplant, 200-400 thousands yuan
Therefore, the hospital can make a profit of ten to several hundred thousand dollars more for each foreign patient compared to a Chinese patient.
The Message Revealed from Organ Ads in China
The following is seen in the Question and Answer Section of the CITNAC webpage: [4]
Q: Are the organs for the pancreas transplant from brain death patients?
A: Our organs do not come from brain death victims because the state of the organ may not be good.
And then in 2004, the following could be found on Q&A Online of its Chinese language webpage: [5]
Question: When receiving kidney transplant, is it possible to contract other diseases such as AIDS and hepatitis? Answer: There's no need for such worry. What's important for kidney transplant is the matching of issues. Before the live body kidney transplant is performed, the donor's kidney and leukocyte will be tested to ensure the reliability of the donated kidney. Thus, it can be said that [with us] it's safer and more reliable than the kidney transplant in Japan where the organs from dead bodies are used.
To put it plainly, the Multi-Organ Transplant Center of Shenyang is trying to sell organs from live bodies of Chinese through its CITNAC!
Then, whose organs are they selling? Are there any ordinary citizens of lower social strata who are forced to sell their organs because they could not make ends meet? The answer is "no." This is because the center performs not only kidney transplants, but also liver and heart transplants. Besides, as stated above, the liver supplies of the center are adequate, too. Nobody would sell his own liver and heart. This has been confirmed by a report in China Business Daily on December 24, 2004 as well.
The report, entitled "Human Organ Ads All Over the Hospital and Kidney Supplies Are Plenty in Shenyang City, Doctors Say", documented the author's interview with a person who was trying to sell his kidney at a place near the First Affiliated Hospital of the China Medical University in Shenyang. Based on the report, it seems that the kidney seller was someone who had no way out in the "prosperous" China under the CCP rule. The article quoted Dr. Wu Gang, associate professor of Organ Transplant Department of the Hospital affiliated with the university, as saying, "The kidney supply in Shenyang is sufficient. Those kidney ads almost have no market." The subtitle for this section was "'Kidneys from live bodies' have no market."
Apparently they have other sources of kidney supply, and the quality is comparable to those taken from live bodies. At a time when there is a severe shortage of organ supplies in China and around the world, how could the Multi-Organ Transplant Center of Shenyang City and Shenyang stand out? How did they manage to have a sufficient supply of organs such that the organs from brain dead patients are not wanted and those selling their kidneys didn't have a market?
Many people were wondering if the Multi-Organ Transplant Center of Shenyang City was engaged in the dealings of organs from death-row convicts. Firstly, organs from death-row inmates do not fall under the same category as organs from live bodies; secondly, this issue involves the human rights situation in China that has long been condemned by the international medical circle and human rights groups. We first need to examine another relevant issue, namely, China's overall picture of sources for organ transplants.
Normally there are two sources of organs for transplant: one is from family members and another is from dead bodies. For example, because of traditional values, kidneys taken from live bodies of family members account for a very small portion currently. According to the report "Transplantation: in progress or in retrogress", published in Modern Business Daily of Beijing on June 10, 2004, transplant surgery using kidneys from family members represents about 1.5 percent of the total.
As for organ supply from the dead, China does not have legislation on brain death, nor does it practice a nationwide registration system as western nations do. For instance, in the U.S., the intention to donate organs is indicated in the application for a driver's license. Additionally, in China, donation of organs is a notion far from being accepted by the population. So citizens who are willing to donate their organs upon death are very few.
In other nations, almost all organs used in transplant are from brain dead patients. According to medical experts, when the heartbeat of a patient stops, his liver will stop functioning within five minutes and his kidney can keep working only up to half an hour. Therefore, the patient whose heartbeat has stopped basically has no use for a transplant[6] if the transplant surgery cannot be performed immediately. But with a human body whose brain has died, other than the brain and the known diseased parts, all other organs can be used in transplant surgery for other patients. Most countries with an advanced medical science have developed a legal definition of brain death that will ensure the organ transplant is performed under the protection of law.
In China, in order to avoid misjudgment of death, the pronounced dead body by the hospital is usually placed in a morgue for 24 hours. If the deceased and his family both agreed to donate organs, most organs would have become useless by then.[7] On March 29, 2005, Chutian Urban Daily published an article entitled "Two Lives Saved in China's First Transplant Using Organs from Brain Dead Body", which reported the first case in China of a brain dead donor of organs. This was actually done in a legal vacuum, but it also indicated that organ transplants prior to that had never used organs from brain dead donors.
So, the organs China uses for transplant, especially organs that are sensitive to deficiency of warm blood such as heart, liver, and kidney, must mainly come from death-row inmates.
According to the article "Organ Transplant: An Area that Needs Fast Regulations," carried in the 147th issue of Finance Journal in December 2005, Deputy Health Minister of China Huang Jiefu admitted for the first time at a WHO meeting held in Manila from November 7 to 9 that at present most organs China uses for transplant come from death-row convicts. However, harvesting organs from death-row convicts are widely condemned by the international community. In 1996, at a conference organized by the Organ Transplant Association in Montreal, medical specialists and scholars noted that if the medical community was involved in the use of organs from death row inmates, it would lead to the legalization of killing. Even in China, there are legal experts who are opposed to such practices. On July 4, 2005, in an interview with Phoenix Weekly , a Chinese journal, Mr. Qu Xinjiu, a professor of criminal law at the China University of Political Science and Law, said that an insurmountable conflict exists between the status of a death-row convict and his free decision. For a death-row inmate who is in a vulnerable position, even though he expresses his willingness to donate his organs, that expression is not necessarily his true will. Chinese doctors are despised and ridiculed among their international counterparts for using organs from death-row convicts.
Under normal circumstances, after a death-row prisoner is executed, the examination by doctors to determine if the prisoner is legally dead would take several minutes and even more than ten minutes. This includes a verification that the heartbeat and breathing have stopped and cannot be recovered, and their pupils are dilated and cannot reflect light. At this point, many internal organs, at least heart and liver, will have lost their value for transplant. This has led to the Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) silent consent or even encouragement for the cruel operation of opening the prisoners' stomachs for organ harvesting before they have stopped breathing. In recent years, China has as many as 2,000-3,000 liver transplants each year. Considering that the liver function is lost five minutes after the heart stops beating, this figure has to lead one to question how these livers were removed. On March 23, The Epoch Times (Chinese edition) published an article about the recollection of medical doctor Lin Quan, who now lives overseas. Doctor Lin mentioned a common practice in CCP-controlled China that death-row prisoners' internal organs were removed before they stopped breathing. After this article was published, many readers who are medical staff came out as witnesses to confirm this practice.
On March 20, an Epoch Times correspondent made phone calls to the General Hospital of Shenyang Military District (also called the Shenyang General Army Hospital), the No. 463 Hospital of the People's Liberation Army (also called the Central Air Force Hospital of Shenyang Military District), and Chaoyang Hospital in Beijing, inquiring about organ transplants. Hospital staff informed the correspondent that except for a few cases of relatives as donors, kidneys used in all other transplant surgeries come from prisoners and harvested from live bodies.
Shenyang Has a Large Organ Supply Source Independent of Organs From Prisoners
At present, we know the following cruel facts: most organs for transplants in China come from prisoners, and a large number of them have been removed from prisoners when their hearts were still beating. Organs taken this way may be called "live organs." Referring back to our previous question: In Shenyang City, especially Shenyang Multi-Organ Transplant Center, are there organs belonging to this kind of "live organs"? Take kidney transplant as an example. In China, patients usually have to wait for six months to a year for a kidney transplant, but in CITNAC of the Multi-Organ Transplant Center, patients only have to wait for a week to a month for kidney transplant, and the kidneys are not any inferior than those live ones sold by the poor people.
In other words, the supply for live kidneys in Shenyang is at least ten times more than the average supply in China. Since death-row prisoners are spread out over different areas of China, Shenyang City would not be able to have an abundance, even if the kidneys of all death-row prisoners were removed while still alive. Furthermore, hospitals capable of kidney transplants are located widely in the 29 provinces, municipalities and regions, with 106 of them registered with such ability in 2001. Therefore, facing a widespread shortage of kidneys, all hospitals must be locking in ahead of time kidney sources from prisoners.
For hospitals, organ transplants are not only profitable, the number of transplant operations is also used as an important criterion for hospital evaluation. Therefore, hospitals in other regions of China will be looking for organs as well. All these factors determine that Sheyang City cannot possibly have large number of organs from local prisoners over an extended period of time.
Moreover, the CITNAC website indicates that if the patient experience problems with the first organ, they will provide the second organ within a week. This "second organ" cannot be coming from prisoners. The Chinese court usually executes prisoners in large numbers, and it is rare to find two groups of prisoners executed within a week. Thus, prisoners cannot become a stable supply for organs in emergency situations. Even under urgent situations, the organs still need to be matched. Therefore, the supply of live organs in Shengyang Multi-Organ Transplant Center is larger than what we can imagine.
From the above analyses, we can only reach one chilling conclusion: Shenyang City, especially Shengyang Multi-Organ Transplant Center, has a large organ supply source independent of organs from prisoners, and the center is selling these live organs to the international community!
The Peculiarities of Living Organs Provided by the Shenyang Multi-Organ Transplantation Center
On the Chinese webpage of the CITNAC in 2004, there was a question and answer emphasizing the uniqueness of the living organs provided.[5]
Question: Is it true that despite a successful transplant operation, post operation life span is only 2-3 years? Answer: Indeed we are often asked such questions but this only happens to kidney transplants from brain dead donors developed in Japan. This is totally different from living kidney transplant operations performed in China. 20 years ago, China started to perform living kidney transplantation. At present, already 5000 patients have gone through such transplant operations.
In medical terms, a live kidney transplant refers to the transplant of kidney organs donated by family members. The lifespan of the transplanted kidneys are often longer compared to kidneys from brain dead donors. This is mainly because of 1) better histo-compatibility between the recipient and donor due to blood relations; 2) the transplant kidney is of high quality - the donor and recipient can be arranged to be in close proximity when the operation is carried out, thus greatly reducing the time required to remove the kidney from the live donor and transplant it to the recipient, significantly reducing warm ischemia time, to a great extent, preventing kidney ischemia/reperfusion injury thereby ensuring the high quality of the transplant kidney. CITNAC claims that it utilizes live kidney transplant, a source better than the brain death donor, and hence the kidney donors from blood related ties are not a main source of CITNAC's kidney supply. Then the Shenyang City Multi-Organ Transplant Centre must have another way to arrange an appropriate time and place to extract transplant organs to its convenience thus enabling the transplant operation to finish in the quickest possible time. So who are these organ donors? Why do they have no control over their own organs or even their lives at the mercy of others?
Two witnesses testified on March 8 & 17, respectively, that there is a secret underground concentration camp in the Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine, Sujiatun District, Shenyang City brutally harvesting organs from living Falun Gong practitioners for a profit and cremating the bodies to remove evidence.
Subsequently, the World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (WOIPFG) verified this incident from different sources. A veteran military doctor from the army logistics service in the Shenyang military zone also came forward and testified: Sujiatun underground concentration camp does exist, organ harvesting is routine, cremating the bodies or even living people is also common and Sujiatun is only one of 36 such camps throughout China.
A source who is known only as "veteran military doctor" said the communist regime has presently declared Falun Gong practitioners to be "class enemies;" that is, they are targets for the most vicious persecution. According to him, the latest directive from the central communist party government is to deal with Falun Gong practitioners as enemies and treat them according to the necessity for economic development. This means they don't have to be treated as humans, but as raw materials for final products.
References:
[1] June 20, 2002 Reprinted on sina.com from chinanews.com: "5500 successful kidney transplant cases in China last year, experts urge family members to donate kidneys"
Original webpage has been removed (Editor's note: this page was resumed after publication of this article), but its contents can be viewed on the following url: http://web.archive.org/web/20030820030311/news.sina.com.cn/c/2002-06-21/
[2] http://www.chhospital.com.cn/dept/dept4/special/special4.htm original article has been removed but its contents can be viewed on the following url: http://web.archive.org/web/20050302090111/http://www.chhospital.com.cn/dept/dept4/special/special4.htm
[3] The Chinese webpage has been removed, English url: http://en.zoukiishoku.com/list/volunteer.htm
[4] http://en.zoukiishoku.com/list/qa7.htm
[5] http://zoukiishoku.com/cn/wenda/index.htm :
The original web page has been removed, but its contents can be found on the following link: http://web.archive.org/web/20041023193430/zoukiishoku.com/cn/wenda/index
[6] June 5, 2005 eastday.com: China plans to introduce human organ transplant regulations to increase organ supplies:
http://news.eastday.com/eastday/news/node37955/node37957/node37979/node6
[7] August 29, 2003 ycwb.com - New Express Paper: "Unwarranted reputation for no legislation on "brain death" and organ transplant law. |
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Re: China concentration camp allegation not credible |
by bobby fletcher
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18 Apr 2006
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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,18669046-7583,00.html
"It appears the claims by Falun Gong have been at least substantially exaggerated. Initial investigations by researchers for a US congressional committee have identified the site at Sujiatun as a hospital, where it is suspected organ harvesting occurs but on nowhere near the scale claimed"
sujiatunfactorhoax.blogspot.com |
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State Dept: no concentration camp |
by bobby fletcher
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Current rating: 5
19 Apr 2006
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US releases Sujiatun investigation finding - no evidence of concentration camp
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060415/pl_afp/uschinasectpolitics_06041500
"Officers and staff from our embassy in Beijing and consulate in Shenyang have visited the area and the specific site mentioned in these reports on two separate occasions," McCormack said.
"In these visits the officers were allowed to tour the entire facility and grounds and found no evidence that the site is being used for any function other than as a normal public hospital." |
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Re: Tracking Down the Mysterious Organ Sources of China's Shenyang City's Multi-Organ Transplant Center |
by Carol
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27 May 2006
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Pray my friends pray... especially for the cold hearted frozen mindset of these many envolved in inhumane treatment of these poor less fortunat souls treated like meat for sale. It makes me SICK! and SAD! Do they have no bone of compassion for another living soul. Well... like the Bible so truly states... God will judge the living and the dead. They think they are flying high but these Dr. Frankensteins and their assistants are flurting with the flames of hell... and don't even know it... because their temporary feeling of power has blinded them... HOW foolish they are! In the end justice WILL be done... even for the poor dead souls that were treated worse than animals. God knows. God sees. God will punish the wicked in the end if they never repent... they will be punished... and not just for a moment... but for eternity. But they asked for it... by continually mocking God in their wicked ways. "Vengance is mine sayeth the Lord!"
Halleluia! God is in control. God is Soverign. God always wins. Halleluia Praise God! Amen and Amen!!!***:)!!!!!!!!* |
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Re: Tracking Down the Mysterious Organ Sources of China's Shenyang City's Multi-Organ Transplant Center |
by Heaven and Earth
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09 Jul 2006
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The report showing evidence that the Falun Gong have been butchered for their organs is out-they take the corneas, the two kidneys, then the liver, etc... A full copy of the report can be viewed at: http://investigation.redirectme.net/
For more media coverage go to:
http://ahdu88.blogspot.com/2006/07/kilgour-matas-report-on-falun-gong.ht http://ahdu88.blogspot.com/2006/07/2008-beijing-olympics-why-bother.html
Media Advisory, July 7, 2006
David Kilgour and David Matas respond to the Chinese government
statement
The Government of China released a statement in response to our report titled *Report into Allegations of Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners in China* dated July 6, 2006. The statement can be found at http://www.chinaembassycanada.org . We have these reactions to this statement:
1. The statement of the Government of China was released the same day as our Report. The statement of the Government of China dismisses our Report out of hand. We view this reaction is unconsidered. It means that the Government of China has engaged in no investigations to determine whether or not what the report contains is true.
2. The statement of the Government of China begins with the phrase
"In order to extricate itself from an awkward position after its lie about "Sujiatun Concentration Camp" has been laid bare, Falun Gong has shifted..."
This phrase is incorrect in a number of different ways. First, it suggests that our Report is a Falun Gong report. Yet, it is not. We are not Falun Gong practitioners. We did this report as volunteers and were not paid for this report by Falun Gong or anyone. Our report represents our own judgment. We have not acted on the instructions of Falun Gong or anyone else in coming to the conclusions we did.
3. The assertions about Sujiatun Concentration Camp to which the Chinese statement refers originated from the ex-wife of a surgeon at Sujiatun Hospital. This person is not a Falun Gong practitioner. This person has not changed or shifted her story at any time. David Kilgour interviewed her. An excerpt of the interview can be found at Appendix 13 of our report.
4. It is our own opinion, expressed in our report, that this woman was not lying. We concluded that she was credible.
5. In our report we did not rely on this witness alone to come to our conclusions. In our report, this is what we said about the testimony of this witness:
"The testimony of the wife of the surgeon allegedly complicit in Falun Gong organ harvesting seemed credible to us, partly because of its extreme detail. However, that detail also posed a problem for us, because it provided a good deal of information which it was impossible to
corroborate independently. We were reluctant to base our findings on sole source information. So, in the end, we relied on the testimony of this witness only where it was corroborative and consistent with other evidence, rather than as sole source information."
Our report is not a shift from what this witness says, but rather an expansion, with a larger focus than just Sujiatun Hospital.
6. The Chinese statement then says:
"It is obvious that their purpose is to smear China's image." We reply that we have no wish to smear China's image. Our sole concerns are respect for the truth and human rights.
7. The Chinese statement then says: "China has consistently abided by the relevant guiding principles of the World Health Organization endorsed in 1991, prohibiting the sale of human organs and stipulating that donors' written consent must be obtained beforehand and donors are entitled to refuse the donation at last minute."
This statement that China made is denied by the facts. The China International Transplantation Network Assistance Centre Website until April of this year set out a price list for transplants. The price list was removed from the website in April, but is still archived. To see the web site now, go to http://en.zoukiishoku.com . To see the archived site, go to
http://archive.edoors.com/render.php?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fen.zoukiishoku.com
As well, many individuals can attest to paying for organ transplants in China.
8. The statement that China has consistently abided by the principle stipulating that donors' written consent must be obtained beforehand is also belied by the facts. Human Rights Watch has reported that consent is obtained from executed prisoners in only a minority of cases. The
organization writes that even in this minority of cases "the abusive circumstances of detention and incarceration in China, from the time a person is first accused of a capital offense until
the moment of his or her execution, are such as to render absurd any notion of "free and voluntary consent."
*Organ Procurement and Judicial Execution in China*, August 1994
9. The China statement goes on to say:
"China has issued a regulation on human organ transplants, explicitly banning the sale of organs and introducing a set of medical standards for organ transplants in an effort to guarantee medical safety and the health of patients. The regulation requires medical institution which is qualified for practising human organ transplant to register at provincial level health department. Unregistered medical institutions are forbidden to practice human organ transplant. If the government finds any registered institution violating the regulation, it will cancel the registration and punish the people responsible."
We acknowledge that this is so, and wrote about it in our Report. We also noted that this legislation came into force only a few days ago on July 1st. It is not an answer to our findings about what happened before that date. Moreover, in China, there is a huge gap between enacting legislation and enforcing it.
10. The Government of China then writes:
"It is very clear that Falun Gong's rumour has ulterior political motives."
None of our findings are based on rumour. Every finding we make is sourced and independently verifiable.
11. The China statement then says:
"Therefore, the so called "independent investigation report" made by a few Canadians based on rumours and false allegations is groundless and biased. We do believe that lies are always lame, and will never become the truth even if being repeated 1000 times. We hope that the Canadian people will not be deceived by the disguise of the Falun Gong, and more people will be aware of the nature of "Falun Gong" as an evil cult."
This conclusion is an attack both on us and Falun Gong. The Report has to be judged on its merits. Attacking its authors is not an appropriate response.
Secondly calling the Falun Gong an evil cult exemplifies the vilification heaped on the Falun Gong. It is this sort of slander which, in China, depersonalizes and dehumanizes the Falun Gong and makes possible the violation of their basic human rights.
Calling a group of innocent civilians an "evil cult" is a form of incitement to hatred, unacceptable in Canada. It is an abuse of their diplomatic presence in China for China to engage in this form of incitement.
For more information, please contact:
David Kilgour: (613) 747-7854 David Matas: (204) 944-1831
International Media Coverage:
http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&lr=&ct=title&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html%3Fid%3D9df4db52-2add-47d0-8dae-0de19590e63a%26k%3D8603 |
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Re: Tracking Down the Mysterious Organ Sources of China's Shenyang City's Multi-Organ Transplant Center |
by Bob Waters
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09 Jul 2006
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"Bobby Fletcher," it should be noted, is one of the many names used by the same, apparently full-time pro-PRC propagandist who visits blogs and websites all over the Internet and presents- often in the very same words- defenses of PRC authoritarianism and barbarity in a variet of areas.
Take what he has to say for what it's worth. |
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Kilgour report anything but independendt |
by bobby fletcher
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01 Aug 2006
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1) Mr. Kilgour's report failed to account for many contrarian facts that have brought question to Falun Gong's claims, that are freely available outside China. Not going to China does not absolve him of his duty to critically examine ALL evidence:
* Two US government investigations started as early as 2nd week of March, independently found the allegation not credible;
* Other media investigations, including Hong Kong newspaper Takunpao with circulation in Canada also found the allegation not credible. FYI Takunpao lost their government subsidies after they reported critically on Tiananmen Square Massacre.
* Other experts have doubted Falun Gong's claim, including Harry Wu of Laogai Research Foundation;
* Malaysian government's prior year visit to the alleged camp, which is a joint-venture and has been open to the public for years;
* Epoch Times' rehashing of old, unrelated stories and mis-representing autopsy photo that do not prove torture or vivisection. The fact the photo show autopsy being performed and murder
investigation held by the Chinese government proves the opposite.
ClearWisdom's original report on Wang Bin(2000) and Liu Yufeng(2005) had no mention of organ harvesting, yet years later these stories are rehashed in Epoch Times' 2006 organ harvesting accusation.
2) Mr. Kilgour can not divorce himself from the fact his investigation is sponsored by a Falun Gong group in Washington DC that is evidently POLITICAL, as the vilification they heaped on the Chinese government, unrelated to this allegation, demonstrates - such as "The Nine Commentaries" and "10 million peple quit the CCP" political propaganda ahead of the Chinese leader's stateside visit.
While China's human rights records should be examined, writing allegory of "Schindler's List" is not the way. If we in the west can not be precise with our accusation, why should anyone take what we say seriousely?
References:
- US State Department investigation:
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006
- US Congressional investigation reported by The Australian:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,18669046-7583,00.html
- Malaysian government documenting official visit to hospital accused by Falun Gong:
http://crc.gov.my/clinicalTrial/documents/Proposal/TCM_Stroke%20TrialPro
- Harry Wu of Laogai Research Foundation:
http://www.canadianchristianity.com/cgi-bin/bc.cgi?bc/bccn/0606/07chines
- HK newspaper Takunpao's investigation:
http://www.takungpao.com/news/06/03/31/ZM-545907.htm
- A reporter's first hand experience with Falun Gong media outlet, Epoch Times:
http://holidarity.blogspot.com/2006/04/organ-harvesting-controversy.html
- 2000 ClearWisdom story on Wang Bin, without mentioning of organ harvesting:
http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2000/11/16/6164.html
(Ref. Kilgour report Appendix 12, Case 1)
- The financial connection between Falun Gong and Epoch Times found in non-profit declarations (Form 990, Page 2, Part III c):
Southern USA Falun Dafa Association. $10,350 were given to Epoch Times in 2002, $22,700 in 2003, $14,750 in 2004:
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2002/760/692/2002-760692185-1-9.pd
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2004/760/692/2003-760692185-1-9.pd
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2004/760/692/2004-760692185-1-9.pd
Falun Dafa Association of New England. $57,609 were spent on computer and print media, $97,755 in 2003, $116,823 in 2004:
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2002/043/576/2002-043576893-1-9.pd
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2003/043/576/2003-043576893-1-Z.pd
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2004/043/576/2004-043576893-02038b
(These are but two examples of the hundreds of FLG non-profits in USA.
IMHO who pays for Epoch Times is not a secret.) |
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Harry Wu of Laogai Research debunk Falun Gong allegation |
by bobby fletcher
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Current rating: 0
10 Aug 2006
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A Chinese dissident's independent investigation found Falun Gong's accusation not credible:
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060806_1.htm |
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US Congress: Kilgour Report Not Credible |
by bobby fletcher
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15 Aug 2006
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- Congressional Executive Committee on China brief commented on the reliability of the Kilgour report, and Falun Gong's accusation:
http://exilyn.blogspot.com/2006/08/latest-and-last-report-for-senator.ht
"Emma Ashburn, a research associate at the Congressional-Executive Committee on China (CECC), said that the Matas-Kilgour report really “offered nothing new” in terms of evidence on the matter of organ harvesting. The evidence they did collect, namely the phone calls and testimonies, were dubious in their objectivity.
Specialist in Asian Affairs at the Congressional Research Service, Thomas Lum, noted that the evidence could have easily been distorted. The individuals calling the hospitals were all affiliated with FLG, and Lum said that it is unlikely for doctors and officials working for the state to casually divulge such sensitive and damaging information so easily. Moreover, Lum’s efforts to contact both the Chinese journalist and doctor’s wife have been fruitless, as FLG members direct all communications toward these individuals and they often do not respond."
- Congression Research Service paper on State Department's investigation:
http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/RL33437.pdf
American officials from the U.S. Embassy in Beijing and the U.S. consulate in Shenyang visited the area as well as the hospital site on two occasions — the first time unannounced and the second with the cooperation of PRC officials — and after investigating the facility “found no evidence that the site is being used for any function other than as a normal public hospital.” |
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Re: Tracking Down the Mysterious Organ Sources of China's Shenyang City's Multi-Organ Transplant Center |
by Makina
afad (nospam) canada.com (unverified) |
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25 Aug 2006
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Bob don't you get tired of this game?
Do you understand the serious allegations put forth in the Kilgour-Matas report on organ harvesting targeting Falun Gong practitioners across China. ( http://investigation.go.saveinter.net ) The Chinese embassy has formulated a set of contradictions similar to yours which I completely disagree with--most of it is unfounded and a direct attack on the authors of the report and the Falun Gong.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-8-10/44796.html
The free world is still waiting for China to give an explanation for the 41,500 organ transplants unaccounted for (in the report). That is telling. Have the many Falun Gong practitioners who have disappeared in China become unwilling organ donors? The answer is yes.
I find it unfortunate that Mr. Harry Wu's investigation in the North of China proved to be fruitless and that in turn his report is being used to discredit the Kilgour-Matas findings. Maybe his team should have gone there before March 9 when the story first broke in the Epoch Times. News reports confirm that after March 9th, the hospital site was cleaned up swiftly to hide all evidence and only later on the Communist Party officials invited the free world to come and investigate. But oddly enough the regime has refused to grant visas to anyone who asked to investigate further. Meanwhile the US State Dept. was taken through a show tour--the regime being with them every step of the way but they have kept the file opened and are still interested in the case.
http://www.faluninfo.net/displayAnArticle.asp?ID=9452
It's worth mentioning that the Kilgour-Matas investigation team examined 18 pieces of evidence to draw their conclusions and that the hospital visited by the US State Dept. and Mr. Wu only accounts for a small portion of the report. Many hospitals were investigated, not just that one--so 99% of the report is not about that hospital. Moreover hospital staff openly admitted to the organ source being from the Falun Gong in 15 instances and these digital recordings have been well validated. Matas calls this practice a new from of evil on the planet. BTW the phone bills are available.
China's bloody harvest
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=6a97d0
The K-M report has been well received in their travels to Brusels, Berlin, London, Washington DC with the Australian government requesting the Chinese embassy for an independent investigation to be allowed. Kilgour has met with rights organizations which are already paying close attention to this issue as is the UN.
It is high time that Communist China be made accountable for their crimes against humanity and for the free world to reassess their take on China. As I recall China was given the 2008 Olympics on the premise that their human rights record would improve. In my eyes the well documented persecution of Falun Gong is enough to disqualify them instantly along with the reports of large scale organ harvesting which would make their record stoop to a new low.
It’s time to quit the Party Bob! http://ninecommentaries.com |
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Congressional Brief Cast Doubt on Kilgour Report |
by bobby fletcher
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Current rating: 2
01 Sep 2006
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In a brief critical of China titled "The Collateral of Suppression", written for Senator Dianne Feinstein, member of US Congressional Executive Committee on China:
"Specialist in Asian Affairs at the Congressional Research Service, Thomas Lum, noted that the evidence could have easily been distorted. The individuals calling the hospitals were all affiliated with FLG, and Lum said that it is unlikely for doctors and officials working for the state to casually divulge such sensitive and damaging information so easily.
Moreover, Lum’s efforts to contact both the Chinese journalist and doctor’s wife have been fruitless, as FLG members direct all communications toward these individuals and they often do not respond. Harry Wu, a longtime political activist known for his hardline anti-PRC views, announced on August 9, 2006 that he would challenge the allegations made by FLG about targeted organ harvesting, especially the claim about the Sujiatun concentration camp.
About the report, the South China Morning Post reports, “Mr. Wu, who has spent 15 years gathering evidence on the harvesting of organs from executed Chinese prisoners, said the information was based on the testimony of two witnesses, neither of whom had first-hand information. He believed the reports were fabricated.” Wu had tried to follow up with the witnesses just as Lum had—to the same futility. In the face of these criticisms, including from even Wu, who formerly held friendly relations with FLG, all things considered the allegations FLG has made about a targeted campaign of state-sponsored genocide are most likely untrue." |
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CCP kills Falun Gong for organs - for money |
by Makina
afad (nospam) canada.com (unverified) |
Current rating: 0
05 Sep 2006
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Fernstein is so pro-commie, with investments in China, so it's not surprising that she would react this way and the same for Lum. Only a handful of people do not agree with the conclusions of Kilgour-Matas preliminary investigative report. Of course the regime has criticized the report. http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-8-10/44796.html but they've not provided any answers for the unexplained 41,500 transplants.
Since the persecution started, it is said that hundreds of thousands of Falun Gong practitioners have disappeared in China and it's not hard to imagine that they would have become unwilling organ donors. The CCP has a special hatred for them and vilify them every chance they get. http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/4-12-18/24972.html
Harry Wu found nothing. But it sounds like his ego has been bruised by the simple fact that other investigators came up with evidence and he didn't. Before that he was the King on 'Organ Harvesting' issues in China. I read the Kilgour-Matas report where they examined 18 pieces of evidence and their conclusions that organ harvesting targeting the Falun Gong are very credible. Apparently the witnesses refused to meet with Harry but have met with Ethan Gutmann, Jay Nordlinger and Bill Gertz and maybe others. That is telling.
Why does Beijing want this report discredited? Beijing admitted to harvesting a few organs from a few death row prisoners last December and this is the image they want to maintain. They are not about to confess to targeting Falun Gong and by so doing admitting their genocidal campaign...there lies the gap. Form your own opinion by reading the report: http://investigation.go.saveinter.net
I find it unfortunate that Mr. Wu's http://www.faluninfo.net/displayAnArticle.asp?ID=9452 fruitless investigation after March 9th -- which was already too late by then because the evidence was gone -- to be used as the foundation to discredit a very credible report exposing a genocidal campaign that should be taken seriously by people who respect humanity and the laws of heaven and earth.
Matas calls this practice a new form of evil on the planet. http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-8-17/45032.html BTW Matas has a pile of phone bills to validate his claim. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=6a97d0 |
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by Aqua Man
trrew (nospam) xuixui.com (unverified) |
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18 Oct 2006
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